Is there a positive side to communitarianism?

Rethinking the State

I have a new article up at Rethinking the State — which now has several new authors including Nathan Fox-Helser,

Prison - Norway style

Andrew Butler, and Paul Monroe — about the positive aspects of communitarian systems.

I’m not sure exactly what the political leanings are of the Learning From Dogs readership — I would hope that a variety of viewpoints are represented — but I know that often communitarian philosophies are held in contempt in libertarian or free market circles because of their association with historical attempts at socialism and communism.

Regardless, I’d love to hear your thoughts, as it’s a philosophy I’ve been thinking about a lot recently.  I write:

…I have to admit that one of the key flaws I see in communitarian political philosophies is not so much the non-cohesive nature of the doctrines themselves, but rather the level at which they are prescribed.  If communitarianism was only applied at the local level, could it really survive without an element of voluntarism?  I feel that capitalist leaning nation-states are begging the question in saying that ideologies like socialism don’t work, because they are assuming that they must be applied at the nation-state level.

This involves the idea that the strictness of economic laws tends to lessen as they move further away from large-scale application, so anti-communitarian claims like the lack of an adequate price mechanism and lack of adequate information tends to become less of a problem for local communities because the nature of economic communication changes as the distance between actors closes.  It also involves the idea put forth by such philosophers as David Hume that human beings are naturally sociable creatures, and a communitarian system at the local level would be able to use this sociability to its advantage.

The full article is reproduced below:

I’ll admit, maybe the flat-screen TV’s and minifridges are a bit much, but, as far as socialist-leaning countries go, I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for Scandinavia. While we could have the whole “taxation is theft” debate, I’d rather point to the rationale behind Norway building the world’s “most humane prison” — to attempt to give people who are imprisoned a real chance at reintegrating into society upon release. In other words, a real, tangible concern for the welfare of people other than one’s self:

“In the Norwegian prison system, there’s a focus on human rights and respect,” says Are Hoidal, the prison’s governor. “We don’t see any of this as unusual.”

Halden, Norway’s second largest prison, with a capacity of 252 inmates, opened on April 8. It embodies the guiding principles of the country’s penal system: that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society. “When they arrive, many of them are in bad shape,” Hoidal says, noting that Halden houses drug dealers, murderers and rapists, among others. “We want to build them up, give them confidence through education and work and have them leave as better people.”

…There’s plenty of enthusiasm for transforming lives. “None of us were forced to work here. We chose to,” says Charlott-Renee Sandvik Clasen, a music teacher in the prison and a member of Halden’s security-guard chorus. “Our goal is to give all the prisoners — we call them our pupils — a meaningful life inside these walls.” It’s warmth like that, not the expensive television sets, that will likely have the most lasting impact.”

While I am aware that there are numerous flaws in the Scandinavian political model as a whole, I still think it is useful to ask whether this idea of how a prison should function could be a lesson to the governors of American prisons. Regardless, I think most readers of this blog would think a great way to make prisons in the United States better places would simply be to reduce the number of prisoners by reducing the number of laws — I don’t think a kid caught selling marijuana has his situation in any way improved by spending two years in a cell next to violent criminals. Of course, that assumes that prisons are in a sense “corrective” institutions, rather than institutions that just get people that bother us out of our hair.

While on the topic, I would like to put forth the idea that there is some merit — yes, I said merit — to certain tenants of communitarian systems, so long as they are applied at the local level. In other words, “bottom-up, localist” communitarianism rather than “top-down, national” communitarianism. Yes, I know that many of the original socialists developed their doctrines specifically as a method of top-down control, and I know that there are numerous flaws in socialist political and economic doctrine. And, certainly, this article paints a bit of an idyllic picture of the Norwegian political system.

Still, I have to admit that one of the key flaws I see in communitarian political philosophies is not so much the non-cohesive nature of the doctrines themselves, but rather the level at which they are prescribed. If communitarianism was only applied at the local level, could it really survive without an element of voluntarism? I feel that capitalist leaning nation-states are begging the question in saying that ideologies like socialism don’t work, because they are assuming that they must be applied at the nation-state level. It is assumed that if you want some sort of communitarianism, then you have to elect some ruler to do it from the top down, which of course does not work for multiple reasons, both economic and political — the reason that it’s hard for me to take parties like the French Socialist Party seriously.

This involves the idea that the strictness of economic laws tends to lessen as they move further away from large-scale application, so anti-communitarian claims like the lack of an adequate price mechanism and lack of adequate information tends to become less of a problem for local communities because the nature of economic communication changes as the distance between actors closes. It also involves the idea put forth by such philosophers as David Hume that human beings are naturally sociable creatures, and a communitarian system at the local level would be able to use this sociability to its advantage. In other words, I care about my neighbor because I know him. However, I don’t see why I should care any more about a guy who lives in Oregon than I do about one that lives in British Columbia, hence the reason that the national socialist attempt to enforce ideas of general welfare over large, spread out populations fails. The nation-state communitarian system completely ignores the nature of human sociability, and expects humans to care about the welfare of human beings with which they have no relationship other than living on the same side of an imaginary line.

I feel that far too often many libertarians throw the baby out with the bath water when looking at countries like Norway and Sweden because they are “socialist,” when perhaps we should take a closer to see if there are positive lessons we can take from them along with our critiques of their systems.

By Elliot Engstrom

6 thoughts on “Is there a positive side to communitarianism?

  1. Communitarian systems are great and about the best there is, but only and only if they result from natural communitarian instincts and wishes, and can easily degenerate into about the worst there is, if in any sense they are turned into something compulsory.

    Give it incentives, allow for the institutional structures that it can use to thrive, but never ever force it down people´s throats… because that is the death of any good communitarian system.

    It is strictly the responsibility of those involved in a communitarian activity to keep the communitarian spirit alive and, if they can´t, that’s their problem… not ours.

    I do indeed believe that “human beings are naturally sociable creatures” but when doing so we must always accentuate “naturally”. Real communitarian systems are not the opposite to free market systems, they are both expressions of liberty and they both work the best when free.

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  2. The USA is a communitarian country too. Two million people in jail: very communitarian. Reminds me of North Korea, just way bigger. Biggest community that way in the world. The USA is also a socialist country, but you better work at Goldman Sachs, to fully profit, or be Warren Buffet, and then insider trading with the government will give you the best trade in the world, for just 5 billion dollars. Between friends, socialism reign.

    “lack of an adequate price mechanism”? The USA has the worst adequate price mechanism since Joseph Stalin. The true spending on the richest men in the world has been in excess of 13 trillion dollars. What is the difference with North Korea? The USA started richer? And North Korea is seriously fascist. Sure. But not the point. When we say that profits are privatized in the USA, and losses socialized, we are not kidding, but being factual.

    PA

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      1. Per:
        Maybe all we need is love, but all we get is war…

        Tea Partyiers are not my cup of tea. It looks, and sounds sometimes that they read just bits and pieces of blogs too big for them. For a few years it sounded as if I were the only one to dare use the word “fascism”. Partiers are drunk on their lack of understanding, inebriated on big words.

        A landscape does not have to take us anywhere: first, we can look, watch, and meditate.

        Embracing the whole landscape does not mean one should not tinker here and there. Having a public rating agency, re-establishing a form of OTA in the USA, and the banking Act of 1933: all these are little steps that could be useful, and are necessary.

        The Federal government is 17% of the USA GDP: that’s communitarian, and does not count states’ spending. So, to debate in general terms the existence of communitarianism, with all due respect to Elliot, is a bit, as if debating the merit of breathing, in general terms…

        Philosophy is war, and best with flowers in the air.

        PA

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      2. Would you trust a public credit rating agency more?

        That´s what I have always told the oiligarch or petrocrat that is dismembering my homeland… why worry about a Banco del Sur when all you need is a Credit Rating Agency del Sur?

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