Jordan Peterson states the obvious …

….. but maybe not. Certainly one needs to reflect on his message.

As Wikipedia put it: “He is considered to be a member of the intellectual dark web.”

But this talk, just under nine minutes, is excellent.

I would love to get your thoughts! (And I’m sorry about the ads!)

22 thoughts on “Jordan Peterson states the obvious …

  1. A lot of what Jordan is saying is true. Unfortunately, since social media is such a huge part of our culture, it breeds discontent because we constantly measure ourselves by other people’s standards. Everyone is successful, every relationship is great when the truth is exactly the opposite. A rule of thumb, keep your thoughts to yourself. Keep some things secret. Protect your energy. Stay in your lane. That is the only way to be happy in this world.

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    1. And I would add to what you say, Susan, that the truth is that which is born out of facts not speculation. I am going to show another video in a week’s time but will keep the details for another day.

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  2. I listened to a lot of Jordan Peterson’s talks. I’m not sure you position on him but like everyone else, I take what’s useful to me and leave the rest. I found a lot of value there. Because my daughter and I are on the road and sharing a room, I couldn’t really hear what the talk said completely but knew he was the one I listened too so often.

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  3. Hi Paul, Much of which Peterson says in this particular video is basic knowledge and commonsense. I agree with him that life is difficult. Much of what he says ( eg about taking responsibility for one’s actions, making an effort and not sponging on other people ) have also been the subject of best selling books in earlier times ( eg The Road Less Travelled my M. Scott Peck.)
    I am quite familiar with Peterson’s views, having listening to over 20 of his interviews and talks in the past and perused his website ( now much changed).
    Although he may have mellowed somewhat after his serious illness (?) I can never be a fan of his.
    He has stated in the not too distant past that he doesn’t believe in climate change. (possibly now changed??). He doesn’t believe that the world is overpopulated and believes that “contraception shall be the downfall of civilisation”. ( direct quotes) He is a social conservative and somewhat misogynistic having said –
    – that “women were much happier in the 1950’s” (I really don’t know where to start with that one!!)
    – that “women who decide not to have children are failing in their moral responsibility”,
    – that men and women working together is “problematic”.
    – that “socially enforced monogamous conventions decrease male violence.”
    – that “ the male is order, the female is chaos”.
    – that the male is “ the divine individual’ , whereas the female is “ the divine mother and child” .
    He has criticised the idea of the patriarchy in earlier times and has consistently defended historical social structures and defined gender roles, saying that that is what biology demanded. ((How I ask, did the need for women to breastfeed and look after their children justify denying them the right to vote – which was resisted for SO long).
    It’s very clear that he is an anti feminist and that he harkens back to an era when men were the undisputed heads of their households and women knew their place.
    For the population generally, he believes in social hierarchy because even lobsters have hierachies. (Yes, read his book)
    For this reason, he does not believe in a welfare state or in things like universal health insurance.

    His socially and economically conservative, anti science, anti environment and anti women views have always been quite worrying to me given his large media exposure and explain why he has received huge support from alt right men and Trump supporters. It’s been estimated that at one time he was receiving between $80,000- $100,000 a month from citizen donors in his Patreon account.
    In some ways I admire his traits of self disclosure and his honesty. I haven’t looked at his talks or his (newish) podcast for nearly two years now – hopefully he has “grown” in his fundamental beliefs about women as well as social democracy.

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  4. I agree with everything Susan, Marlene and Marg have said.

    While I agree with some of the things that this overconfident individual says in this video, he is, I think, deluding himself in ways that, at least for me, destroy his entire narrative.

    He begins by declaring that the comparison of oneself with others is not a good idea, but his interpretation is clearly based upon the assumption that all who do so are envious or jealous of those others. There, he is doing exactly what he preaches that others not do: he is making a comparison of his own worldview with that of others. He appeals to his audience to consider the problems that successful folk may be struggling with, yet that is in itself a subtle dismissal of the struggles of everyone less fortunate.

    It’s true that I refuse to tug my forelock to my betters, but that is because I do not consider them to be ‘better’ than me. Yes, there’s resentment there, on my part, but that is because far too many of those very people consider themselves entitled to be the recipients of forelock-tugging; they ‘have proven themselves to be better’. In their minds, they’ve ‘earned’ their rewards. I’m willing to bet that this pompous blowhard believes the same of himself.

    See my recent post ‘The Secret to Success‘ for a counterpoint.

    I have no difficulty in believing Marg’s assertion that he doesn’t believe in the benefits of providing welfare. At 2:20 he says, “You don’t get people to stand up on their own two feet and adopt responsibility if everything is given to them” – to the sound of cheers and claps from his clearly sycophantic audience. I think it reveals much about his outlook. It’s more than a tad ironic that this occurs with a background of a man with two prosthetic legs standing tall. I very much doubt that that man would have been capable of sourcing those artificial limbs and attaching them after he lost his original ones, without some serious assistance from society.

    Marg’s statement that he doesn’t believe in climate change is also an easy one to believe. In this video (at 1:50) he says “It’s hard to make a case that the future doesn’t look comparatively positive.” I believe that he is seriously wrong there. He advocates making ‘wise, careful and truthful decisions’, but I think that his choice to spread ‘motivational’ messages based upon unbridled, unfounded optimism is not at all wise, as such thinking may well mean the downfall of us all.

    Well, you asked.

    PS For what ‘ads’ are you apologising? I don’t see any.

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    1. I have to agree with your very thoughtful reply. You have dissected Peterson’s speech much more carefully than I, and I thank you for that. Regarding the ads, when I was reviewing the post the day before it was published there was an intrusive ad shown and I expected that to remain.

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      1. Ah, you were referring to an advert in the video? I use Firefox with the ‘Enhancer for YouTube’ add-on, which allows me to disable ads 🙂

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      2. Because today’s You and Yours had as their first report a most terrible fraud that, oh so nearly, caused an innocent woman to have her house sold beneath her feet. Anyone who lives on their own and is mortgage-free should listen to it. Plus, if the U.K. Land Registry is contacted there is something that people can do to prevent the fraud from affecting their own property. Please listen and spread the word!

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      3. Bloody.
        Hell.

        Found the episode: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001216w (BBC login required). It’s the first half of the program, just over fifteen minutes. It’s opened my eyes to just how clueless and incompetent our government truly is.

        Have emailed my brothers to warn them, and will be contacting my MP about it too (though he’s, sadly, pretty useless).

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      4. I agree. Thank goodness for the BBC especially the You and Yours team. Did you note that one can do something about it, if you live in the U.K., and that is to contact the Land Registry!

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      5. Yes, bloody hell !
        Here’s another one. In this case the ownership of the house was already transferred into the hands of an (innocent) buyer – whom the law protects.
        All the original owner can receive, from the Land Office, are damages for the loss of his home.

        https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/jgmxyp/arrest-after-man-returns-home-to-find-entire-house-had-been-stolen

        This has also been the subject of a story on the BBC radio program ‘You and Yours’ :-
        https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0010nt4

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      6. It really does beggar belief. These crooks need to be identified, subjected to trial (to ensure that we have the right crooks), thrown in jail and then the keys thrown away.

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  5. Here’s another one. In this case the ownership of the house was already transferred into the hands of an (innocent) buyer – whom the law protects.
    All the original owner can receive, from the Land Office, are damages for the loss of his home.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/jgmxyp/arrest-after-man-returns-home-to-find-entire-house-had-been-stolen

    This has also been the subject of a story on the BBC radio program ‘You and Yours’ :-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0010nt4

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